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Glasgow club night deletes criticism and sees women as objects

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Seriously, the above flyer is appalling.

Here is our press release:

Glasgow equality activists angry over club night flyers

A club night at ‘The Garage’ on Sauchiehall Street called ‘Booty Call’ has come under fire after a group of feminists have pointed out that its flyers resemble phone box cards that advertise sex work.

The flyers feature a picture of a naked woman with the text ‘Come see me this Friday’, and ‘Booty call us’ with a mobile phone number.

The night offers free entry to ‘girls’ before midnight, which contravenes sex discrimination laws.

Activists have criticised the sex-industry imagery, sex discrimination in entry prices and objectification of women in the promotion of the club night, which some have said promotes rape culture.

There have been many posts on The Garage’s Facebook wall, from Kate Harris, Callum Leslie and many others. The Garage has been consistently deleting these posts and has made little effort to engage in dialogue with the protesters.

Campaigners have asked The Garage to rethink the theme and promotion of the event.

My email to Garage Glasgow

This is the email I sent to one of Garage Glasgow’s managers – sean@cplweb.com

Dear Sean,

I’m writing to you specifically about the promotion and advertising of Garage Glasgow’s ‘Booty Call’ – not the name.
The image, font and text on the flyer is deliberately designed to mimic the sort of cards that advertise sex work and sex lines.

Here are the problems that I have with the event:

  • The image of the naked woman is objectifying.
  • The text ‘Come see me this Friday’ implies that women are sex objects, there for the taking. It mimics sex industry aesthetic and language.
  • ‘Booty Call us’ followed by a mobile phone number again is copying sex industry standards when this is supposed to be a mainstream club night: this normalises what we see as rape culture and the buying and selling of women.
  • ‘Girls Go Free B4 12’ is sex discrimination which contravenes the law. If women get in free, so should men, as women are not an attraction to lure men into clubs. We are people, not objects.
I do not think it is acceptable that the way staff responded to complaints on Garage Glasgow’s Facebook page, by deleting legitimate concerns and complaints from customers.
I was messaged twice, the second message included this paragraph:
‘We appreciate that you feel strongly about this matter however spamming our page is not appreciated and your posts will be deleted. If you would like to raise your concerns directly with a manager please email Sean@cplweb.com.’
While I am happy to email you, there is no reason for customers and members of the public to respond in the public domain, be that Twitter, Facebook or the press. The advertising of this club night was in the public domain: as a result, so were our complaints.

After this, the admins of the Facebook page posted a message. Under this message there were more than 300 comments. At first, only negative comments were deleted. Now, it seems everything relating to our concerns has been deleted.

It seems that Garage are not willing to respond to our concerns.

We were not asking for much. All we wanted is for the promotion of the event to change. Not even a name change. Just a new flyer. That was all.

As a result of the way Garage has responded, though, we will be calling for a boycott of Garage and its sister venues, as well as taking this story to our press contacts.
We urge you to change the promotion of ‘Booty Call’ and apologise to everyone who has complained.

Best wishes, Kate Harris

Some things you can do:

  • Tweet your complaints with the hashtag #smashbootycall and link to this blog on your Facebook so all your friends can see it.
  •  Use this email as a template, or write your own, and send it to sean@cplweb.com.
  • Email the press release to any contacts you have at newspapers, website, TV or radio stations.
  • Email scotland@equalityhumanrights.com and complain about the sex discrimination in only letting women in free before midnight.

UPDATE (1)

Below is the new flyer. While it’s an improvement, it still objectifies women and somewhat resembles a phone sex call.

From their website it would appear that they’re still doing the ‘Girls Go Free B4 12’ thing.

Come on, Garage, address our concerns properly and stop being offensive and promoting sexism.

 

 

UPDATE (2): Statement from The Garage

We‘d like to take this opportunity to apologise for any offence that the Booty Call Flyer has caused. As previously stated online the Garage is a fun student nightclub and often errs on the side of tongue in cheek with our promotions. When the Booty Call flyer was designed it was with this in mind, we certainly did not mean to cause such offense. The flyer has been in circulation since November last year, the complaints made online last night were the first that we experienced.

We listened to all of the complaints made and following a management meeting first thing this morning decided to immediately remove the current imagery from circulation. We certainly are not in the business of objectifying women and feel shocked that this simple flyer has been taken in that context.

We have removed the Facebook threads from public view due to the posting of offensive content. While we are all for freedom of speech we do not want people calling each other names on our public forum.

We take the safety and security of our customers very seriously and regularly work in conjunction with Strathclyde Police and Glasgow City Centre Safety to ensure our procedures and security staff are of the highest standard. We have been an active participant in the Best Bar None awards since they began and this year received a prestigious gold award. If you are not familiar with this scheme here is a short summary from their website http://www.bbnscotland.co.uk/about.aspx

The Best Bar None Awards Scheme, which is sponsored by Diageo, is an integral part of the Safer Areas Initiatives within Scotland.
The scheme focuses on safety and customer care, and gives each licensed venue the opportunity to prove it meets a standard of operation set in consultation with the government and alcohol industry at a national level. It rewards safe and well-managed licensed venues with the issue of a display plaque which can be used to promote the venue. The overall aim of the initiative is for partner agencies to work together with licensed premises to create a safer and more welcoming city and town centre environments.

We are shocked and appalled to be accused of promoting any degradation towards women. We’ve been running clubs in Glasgow for over 21 years and consider the safety and security of our customers to be our top priority.

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Written by CakeCakeCakeCakeCake

April 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm

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  1. I find that most people people don’t go to tunnel, the cathouse and the garage so a boycott wouldn’t change much there.

    Bobby Meeks

    April 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm

  2. Agree Agree Agree.

    herahussain

    April 12, 2012 at 3:17 pm

  3. Calm down.

    john

    April 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm

  4. Rameses

    April 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm

  5. Really good comment from Ruairi: the punters dont like them and they are off putting all round – so many levels of bad choices by The Garage.

    Nina Baker

    April 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    • Yeah you may be right but at least they changed their flyers when they realized how wound up people got about. Some companies wouldnt have backed down.

      Jake

      April 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm

  6. Reblogged this on Urban Computing Design and commented:
    To get the word out. Thanks

    urbancomputingdesign

    April 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm

  7. Rebloged Thanks for all the good work

    urbancomputingdesign

    April 12, 2012 at 4:48 pm

  8. Shut up and get a grip of yourselves. This is NOT offensive and you’re being so silly it hurts!

    Grey

    April 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm

  9. I think everyone here has blown this out of proportion to be honest. You can complain all you want I doubt that youll make a difference.. the mere fact that this advertising campaign has been active for the best parth of six months without complaints just goes to show that nobody cares or takes this seriously.

    The garage clearly want a certain clientele in there, lots of girls (and in greater proportion) that want entry for free and guys who are big spenders. How is this any different from the way they normally operate? How many guys here have tried to get into the garage only to be told they are “too drunk” despite being sober? The bouncers at the garage have a reputation for discriminating against everyone to obtain their precious male/female ratio or not letting guys in except those who they think will spend the most money.

    And also, lets be honest… out of everyone here, who looks at that flyer and thinks “oh this could be a good night out”?? The likelihood is that those who find this flyer repulsive, will not enjoy the garage. It is targeted at a specific audience which isnt us. The garage dont want our business, they want stupid men who will spend a fortune buying drinks for girls thinking that itll get them laid.

    I am not sticking up for the garage in this fight, they have a valid point that if the advertising campaign has run this far without complaint then they are well within their right to assume they havent crossed the line. However, suggesting that their advertising campaign mimicks sex industry advertising also is valid. I have no idea where the rape culture comes in, thats just nonsensical. The fact is that everyone has blown this out of proportion. As far as im concerned everyone should just calm the hell down, let the garage entertain a cheap pathetic clientele and everyone else take their business elsewhere! The fact that people have the intelligence to make this valid complaint against the garage also proves that you’re too good/old/sensible for the garage and they are targeting someone else.

    Iain

    April 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    • Blown out of proportion?!

      And from what you have just said they are even more calculatingly misogynist than has already been exposed!

      mhairi

      April 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm

      • No-one cares, it’s just a club night, get over your stupid feminism and embrace it!

        Grey

        April 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm

      • Yes, blown out of proportion! This is only a club flyer not a national newspaper or a change in the law. To attribute such insinuations to the garage such as “normalises what we see as rape culture” is just outrageous! Its a club flyer for goodness sake!!

        Bars, pubs, clubs are restaurants are all calculatingly devious and will discrimate against anyone or anything to make money. They all have tools at their disposal to maximise their profits. Restaurants are the worst for it, just think about how much it cost to make a bottle of wine and to give the vineyard a little profit, the bottling facility gets a little markup, the distributer gets a little markup for their bit, before getting to a supplier who take their little cut before giving it to a restaurant who turn a £4 bottle of wine into a £20! And thats by the bottle, not if you buy it by the glass!

        They all have their ways of maximising profits, and the garage is no different. The last time I was at the garage for a gig, they were charging £1.50 per item at the cloakroom! You can call it misogynistic if you want, but after “running clubs in Glasgow for over 21 years” they have no doubt come to the conclusion (like several other clubs) that by having somewhere in the region of 30-40% male to 60-70% female ratio in the club will maximise their intake of cash at the bar. After all that time I suspect they will have all the statistics on their performance and know what is the most profitable, and every company will use statistics to their advantage… just look at car insurance!! But I highly doubt they are doing it out of spite or because they want to discriminate against one gender, but choose to operate their club in a way which makes them the most money.

        Iain

        April 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    • Iain, you are right, many young girls do dress to look ‘sexy’ on a night out. They do dress to impress men.
      But you have to ask, where has this desire come from? Everyone wants to be attractive to others but women don’t innately want to be objectified more than men do from birth, it is conditioned, Our society is a sexist one. Girls are given ‘beauty’ toys at a young age without question, ‘ay, back in the kitchen, make me a sandwich’ jokes are daily ‘banter’.
      I, and all women I know have been harassed on some level or another because they’re female and not male. So when you see things like the above flyer being protested, it may seem blown out of proportion on face value, but it is these little things that build up day after day after day and believe me, you get sick of it.

      You just have to call out sexism wherever you see it. I’m afraid trying to change inequality may seem repetitive but now is not the time to give up. Yeah it’s just a flyer, but these insignificant things DO normalize sexism, just because you or I don’t pay attention to it, it doesn’t mean a lot of others won’t.

      badpennies

      April 14, 2012 at 5:02 pm

  10. Time for a group unclenching ladies!

    Chris

    April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm

  11. I agree with Iain. As their press release states the flyers looking like sex line cards was just tongue in cheek. I assume you have a problem with that industry. Maybe the humour was a little too subtle but it certainly doesn’t promote rape. I think sometimes people are just looking to make things into a far bigger deal than they should be.

    Peter

    April 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm

  12. The Garage is basically a meat market where guys go to objectify women and women go to be objectified. The flyer hardly influences that behaviour but simply appeals to people who are into that sort of thing. That is the reason I go to other places apart from the Garage. Get a life and stop obsessing over the fact that some clubs are a bit crap.

    exoticmatter21stcenturypromotionalsolutions

    April 12, 2012 at 7:15 pm

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  14. “Women are not an attraction to lure men into clubs. We are people, not objects.”

    Can you expand on this? It’s generally accepted that one of the main draws of going to a nightclub is to be able to meet, dance with, talk to and, if you’re lucky, to hook up with someone of the opposite sex. Now obviously I understand that in the context of that flyer, the subtext is very clearly “There’s lots of women in the club, come and fuck them.” which I agree is clearly a problem.

    But I’m not sure if I agree with the idea that the presence of women in a club isn’t attractive to men. Nor do I think that a man going to a club because there are women there is an act of objectification.

    Of course, in the process of writing this comment I have realised that it’s the Garage that is objectifying women (as opposed to the would-be-nightclub-goer), by directing their flyer solely at men, with the only acknowledgement of women on the flyer acting less of a promotion to women themselves, but rather as bait for men.

    I suppose I should delete this comment, but I’ll leave it here for anyone else who needs it explained to them..

    alan.

    April 12, 2012 at 7:41 pm

  15. Ughh can you not have a bit of fun? There’s nothing the fuck wrong with the second flyer, get a grip…

    John

    April 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm

  16. This was totally blown out of proportion. It was a flyer which had less nudity than you would see at the beach. Sure it looked like a flyer for a sex phone line but besides the fact it was tongue in cheek, i’ve looked into working for one of those phone lines – it pays well! Its a valid job. Seeing a flyer like this certainly isn’t going to turn someone into a rapist either. Anyone linking this silly flyer to rapists are at best deluded and at worst trying to make this company into the boogyman.

    If its objectification that is the offence then why hasn’t anyone got all angsty about the semi nude male dancers in polo? Reeks of hypocrisy.

    As for the garage removing disparaging comments from their page- why the hell shouldn’t they? The page is there to advertise a business not for people to shout off about anything they want. – At least they have removed the flyer that people got worked up about.

    Jake

    April 12, 2012 at 10:56 pm

  17. Maybe this advert doesn’t seem sexist to you, but what it is undeniably is an underlining of how it has been normalized to use images which depict women as objects to sell something where women should not be objectified. By blurring the lines in the poster between club and strip club, they reinforce the idea that it is okay to treat the women in the club as strippers. It also asserts that women should go to the club for free, and be okay about being treated in this way as they are getting in for free. The depressing thing about it is that this poster isn’t shocking – as many have said, it looks like many posters for many club nights all around the world. All places where women being in clubs is equalized to women being strippers, or merely there to be ‘bought’ in some capacity by men who apparently ‘have all the money’. Anyone who believes that this ‘has been blown out of proportion’ or ‘should matter because it’s just a poster, not a law being made and women still have equal rights…..’ should really have a think about whether the reinforcement of images such as this don’t effect them, their perceptions of others, or how they view going out to a club. Images such as these do subconsciously reinforce ideas going on, and act as a microcosm for the larger ideas which REMAIN to float around society that women should be objectified.

    Rosanna

    April 13, 2012 at 12:58 am

    • Do you think some of the women who go there want to be objectified? Not all but some? I bet this wouldnt have been an issue if it were a guy on the flyers.

      Jake

      April 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    • Rosanna, ill be totally honest in that i dont agree with much that youve said. Personally, I think your far too optimistic about the human race and expect far too much from todays society. I would recommend you go into the garage on a Friday or Saturday night and take a long hard look at how the garage’s clientele dress. I honestly think you would come to the conclusion that the women who frequent such an establishment probably dont agree with your perspective either. Nobody can honestly dress THAT revealing and realistically complain about being “objectified”, so clearly they are all okay with it. Women who wear huge impractical high heels with skirts that have more in common with belts than skirts, with their cleavage on display arent doing women across the world many favours in terms of respectability and certainly do nothing to back up your arguement either. Whilst I can see where your coming from, I think your fighting a lost cause as the majority of the general public are mindless idiots. The garage will sell stupid amounts of alcohol to people who want to drink themselves into oblivion, make fools of themselves whilst blaming their actions on the alcohol and then think they are “cool” by suggesting that it must have been a good weekend because they dont remember any of it. This is who the garage want in their club, and they fill their venue regularly.

      I would also like to remind everyone here that whilst this flyer promotes females getting in for free before midnight etc, the garage has ran MANY MANY different themed nights, and it wasnt that long ago that they had a night called “suit up”. For those of you who watch “How I met your mother” on the TV, will know that this is a theme based on a character called Barney who is rather fond of wearing suits – the garage were promoting that ANY GUY wearing a suit got in for free. So the garage have a track record of showing everyone special treatment at some point and are in no way discrimating against anyone as a matter of principle.

      The only thing the garages flyer “reinforces” is that this club isnt for you. There are far more maturer clubs out there that cater for people like you and me. Personally I like classic grand and would rather be a naked beekeeper for a living than spend a single night in the garage. But they target a different clientele which doesnt include us.

      Iain

      April 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm

  18. Wont make them more money tho, if the bad PR they get from promoting rape culture leads to a boycott.

    mhairi

    April 13, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    • Seriously at no point did they promote rape culture. At worst they promoted promiscuity. Even if you are offended by the thought of these sex hotlines some people do this as a job willingly and even enjoy it. People really need to stop swinging the word rape as a shock tactic. They already appologised for any offense, there are so many other actual offences going on that you could spend your time and efforts towards stopping. Got a problem with these sex phonelines – Campaign to make them illegal!

      Jake

      April 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    • Mhairi, It’s not rape culture.

      go sue Anne summers where they sell blow up women that guys can have sex with, surely that’s more offensive than a bum with a heart sticker over it.

      uuilliam

      April 13, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      • Anne Summers is a shop which SELLS things, the advertisements are in keeping with what it sells which is lingerie and sex toys which are in the imagery on their site and in their windows. You have inadvertently agreed with the whole point of this, the naked women on the flyer is there as almost something for SALE which is why you compared it to adverts selling similar things. I see no drinks, musical imagery or dancing on the flyer? Meaning that it is obviously that the point of their advert is the objectification of the woman on the flyer as something to come and “see” – just because something is commonplace does not mean that it is ok.

        Steph

        April 13, 2012 at 9:47 pm

      • I’m just going to throw this out there but there are many many women who go to this night even with the old flyers and they have a great time. If this is so offensive then why do they go? The people who have a problem with THE EVENT need to re-evaluate because they are in the minority.

        I thought feminists stood up for gender equality – well that includes the right for women to go out and have casual sex. Maybe this night is advertising itself to people who want to do that but If they want to go to a night like this then that’s their life not yours! By judging the marketing you are judging the people who go and its sickeningly hypocritical.

        Jake

        April 14, 2012 at 6:02 am

  19. Let’s be grown ups here. See if you don’t like it, and think it’s tacky, offensive and that? Please do us a favour and simply DON’T GO! Don’t ruin the night for others. Booty Call’s been going on for six months, so why are you now complaining about it? The Garage is very well known for it’s tounge-in-cheek approach to it’s nights, and holds the saftey of it’s customers to the highest of standards, so the idea that the Garage promotes rape is a totally unrealistic and bullshit comment made on a good nightclub.

    Actually, I now have a challenge for those who think Booty Call is offensive – GO to this clubnight in question and THEN make your prejudiced comments. I’ve been to Booty Call lots of times, and it’s just the same as any other clubnight, so I challenge you. Go to this night, and EXPERIENCE it first hand, and THEN form opinions on it, as I’m assuming most of you just think it’s sickening just because of the flyer, and they havent even been to Booty Call to assess the situation for themselves and make their OWN minds up.

    This is a good example of a world gone HORRIBLY wrong due to political correctness! This is up there with the whole “Brainstorming is offensive to epileptics” thing (I’ve discussed this matter with people who suffer from epilepsy and they have stated that they DON’T find the term offensive), and not being allowed to publicly call Christmas by it’s name as it may offend other religions. It’s just stupid and there’s no need for this unreal political correctness!

    The sad thing is, Garage are being attack because one stupid feminist thinks that it exploits women? EVERY other club does the same thing, and what I’m worried about most is that this feminist will then go on to try and attack every other nightclub until they reluctantly agree to be shut down, and then Glasgow’s vibrant nightlife that it’s famous for will be over, all because one girl didn’t like sexual exploitation. Get over it, it happens EVERYWHERE you go, in all aspects of life and happens to men AS WELL as women.

    Kate Harris, quit while your ahead love. I respect the fact that you’re standing up for what you believe in, but you’re inadvertently destroying Glasgow’s nightlife, so please stop.

    Grey

    April 14, 2012 at 2:53 am

    • Sorry to ruin most of your argument (which did not even answer my point) but I HAVE went to Garage, I know exactly what its like!

      Both you and Jake seem to suggest that because it is commonplace that the sexual objectification of women is ok? and Jake seems to suggest that minorities should not stand up for themselves simply because they are the minority? Who was this Martin Luther King that had a dream? Who was it that refused to give up her seat on the bus? Now I do not think that this is on the same scale as black slavery but they were the MINORITIES and they were right to stand up for themselves and to express their opinion.

      Kate is intelligent, not “stupid” – childish name-calling does not win an argument, and “all because one girl didn’t like sexual exploitation” is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read online…. PLEASE ask girls specifically if they like sexual exploitation? and then some back and tell me only one girl said she doesnt like it!

      This type of advertisement is not ok, all the club need to do is change some images – no one has asked that they shut down and other clubs should change their imagery too (again no mention of shutting them down!)
      Its not political correctness to ask that you treat women as human beings, anyone with intelligence can see that the flyer was objectifying women i.e. treating them as objects.

      Steph

      April 14, 2012 at 7:17 am

      • Dear god read what i said before jumping on individual words. I’m saying that your problem with this club event is a minority opinion, NOT that you are a minority of race etc. Theres a big difference. Your group (the people complaining – not all women) is not being persecuted. Maybe women are in general in society and i fully support campaigning for equality but i also support freedom to control your own life. Both men and women should be able to choose to be objectified if they want.

        Personally i wouldn’t mind being objectified. I’m sure many other people want to be objectified. What i’m saying is that that is their choice and people should have the freedom to have that if they want. I mean are you sure it wasn’t a woman that came up with the flyer? Are you saying the girl on the flyer was being sexually exploited? That’s madness.

        What about strip clubs? Personally i think they are horrible but i respect that some people make a choice to work in those places WITHOUT BEING FORCED TO DO SO and that is their expression of freedom.

        Jake

        April 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm

      • Jake, it would seem that none of these idiot feminists want to target stripclubs, or even clubs that ACTUALLY HAVE naked girls serving drinks, which, in my opionion makes them a lot worse than what these feminists are campaigning for. I just read another blog on here about it, about a girl who went to booty call, and despite her idiotic comments about “OMG THERES NO FEMALE BOUNCERS” or “OMG ITS FULL OF MEN” or even her HORRIFIC Racist remark “THERES NO BLACK PEOPLE IN HERE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE BLACK IN HERE”, she did remark that Booty Call had a REALLY safe environment, and mentioned that she herself felt that there WAS other clubs that do worse.

        Feminists, just shut the fuck up, you don’t know shit!

        Grey

        April 14, 2012 at 7:36 pm

  20. I really think people need to get a grip here. Its a club flyer!! It is totally meant in a tongue a d cheek way and im sure the garages aim was never to objectify woman, there are so many club flyers out there with scantily clad woman on them! It also isnt encouraging sexual assualt seeing this flyer is not going to turn someone to do that, they will already be that type of person. Im sorry but im a woman and dont find it offensive at all especially the second one!! Also friday nights in town are expensive im up for getting in free!!

    lc

    April 14, 2012 at 6:13 am

    • Why are any of you replying to my comments when clearly you either do not read them or do not understand them?

      The issue for me is not the free entry for women, I never suggested that the flyers encouraged sexual assault, I never said the women on the flyer was sexually exploited, I never said that Booty Call was unsafe for women. Now if you can stop attacking me for things I have never said and actually attempt to intelligently respond to any of my points then excellent, I welcome opinion which has any justification but if you want to respond to someone elses points which I never made or repeated then respond to them NOT me.

      My point is this, you keep mentioning the sex industry be it Ann Summers or Strip Clubs because they actually use this imagery and sell this “experience” so to speak BUT the issue for me is not simply the objectification of women, it is the use of this to sell an unrelated product.

      Grey, it is unneccessary to tell all feminists to shut up or say they “dont know shit” because you dont like what they have to say. It simply shows you have nothing intelligent to contribute.

      Steph

      April 15, 2012 at 12:20 am

      • I don’t think it is an ‘unrelated product’. Nightclubs serve several roles in society (not always as a benefit to society i have to say), they allow people to go listen to music and dance, they allow people to go and spend time with friends but they also allow people the chance to meet new people sometimes in an effort to find a relationship or casual sex. The flyer is just rather brazen about it. Personally though if it were a naked guy on the flyer being objectified i don’t think people would be in such an uproar. Maybe guys don’t find offence in being objectified?

        The fact that it wasn’t meant to be taken as a serious theme puts it on par with tarts and vicars nights or other silly events.

        Jake

        April 15, 2012 at 7:53 am

  21. Hi guys, I think that both sides of this are really interesting and each have valid points. I’m currently doing a course in feminism and I know that the very word makes men heave a loud sigh, at times I too think the rhetoric is isolating and doesn’t help actually get to grip with things.

    What I would say is this however- Iain- I agree with everything you’re saying about the money making mind set of clubs and that perhaps objectifying their own clientele isn’t in the Garage’s interest. However- when you say that one need only look at the people that go to Garage of a Friday and Saturday and the way they dress that they are in some way responding to this advertising campaign, particularly the women- this behaviour doesn’t come from nowhere.. it is made acceptable by the way women in advertising, movies and all realms of popular culture, are depicted. They are mimetic of everything that is crappy about our culture. And the only way to change that is by taking small steps at the depictions around us and breaking these images down.

    I think it’s great that garage has taken the step to remove their initial posters, and perhaps some people will read about this who wouldn’t have normally thought about the things we are discussing here and be more alert to the representations of BOTH males and females that we are subject to everyday.

    Also- I would recommend anyone to have a look at this video– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FpyGwP3yzE

    Rosa

    April 14, 2012 at 1:57 pm

  22. TAKE ADVERTISING SERIOUSLY!

    Jean

    April 14, 2012 at 1:58 pm

  23. ITT: Guys who don’t like to be made to feel slightly uncomfortable about the way they approach women.

    Rob Ray

    April 14, 2012 at 7:01 pm

  24. The problem with the flyer wasn’t the fact there was a ‘scantily clad’ woman on it. The problem was that it directly resembled a prostitute’s calling card. Along with the text saying ‘girls go free’, this suggests that the club is supporting a culture of women being something to be objectified, owned and possessed. I’ll admit that rape culture is a highly charged term but there is nothing in the theory to suggest (and no one has suggested this) that this flyer would directly lead to a woman being raped. It’s about normalising sexual violence – which even the most strident anti-feminist must agree is highly prevalent in the sex trade. It’s not about political correctness, it’s about recognising the wider implications of what imagery (and it’s relation to wider society) means – basically having a bit of fucking empathy.

    To Jake and Grey, evoking the line that there are worse examples of exploitation happening in strip clubs might be true. However, if a strip club suggested on it’s artwork that punters were able to purchase sex in the venue they would be breaking the law – have their license revoked and probably criminally charged.

    I’ve lived in Glasgow for a couple of months now and have found it to be a generally progressive, forward thinking kind of place. But seeing disingenuous comments such as ‘feminists shut the fuck up, you don’t know shit’ from people who I imagine are young and basically the future of our society is a bit depressing. Feminists have the interests of humanity as a whole at heart guys!

    • Can I just thank Ruairi, Rob, Jean and Rosa for restoring some of my faith in humanity and for adding some intelligent input to the conversation!

      To Jake, if you think that sex and women are a related PRODUCT to a Club Night then and you are proving the point of this argument that this type of advertising should not be used. Women are not products to purchase, if they choose to engage in casual sex then this is their choice but this should not be sold as a benefit of attending a club! also please google the definition of objectification as I genuinely think you are misunderstanding it slightly!

      I am bowing out now from this whole mini-debate as I do not feel that I am getting anywhere with the individuals on the page but I would suggest that prior to replying to people who have studied this subject, or even that have just read up on, that you actually read a book or article or something so that you can actively respond to points made based on knowledge rather than unfounded opinion.

      Steph

      April 16, 2012 at 1:10 am

      • This is what happens when people paraphrase each other. I never said women are a related ‘product’ to nightclubs. I said sex is a part of the nightclub experience! Pointing that fact out in a gender equal and humourous flyer shouldn’t be a problem. I have read up on this topic in great length and have drawn my own conclusions which seem to differ from yours. I’m sorry that doesn’t sit right with you but everyone assumes they are right in the end.

        Jake

        April 16, 2012 at 9:41 am

  25. This was all a fascinating read. Feminists just ranting on without any attempt to listen to other opinion. Why bother arguing with closed minded fools.

    Jamie

    April 16, 2012 at 1:33 pm

  26. […] To see their apology and the press release, the email I sent and the full apology from the club, go to my blog. […]

  27. […] which generate a high level of complaints about sexual assault and rape.  Now there is definitely complicity in entertainment venues in rape culture of that there is no denial, however there are also known places where sexual assault is the norm. […]


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